Invitation to Gather

A Word to the Spiritual Seekers

A Word to the Spiritual Seekers

From: Don Murray

So, shoot the messenger is still in vogue, at least within the church. We are used to hearing that Roman Catholics have been ex-communicated because they did not fit into the doctrine of the church. Conservative churches can be guilty of “shunning” – giving non-conformists the cold shoulder. But here is a committee of a liberal, inclusive, church, born out of the union of several churches, recommending that an ordained minister “be placed on the discontinued service list” – fired, defrocked. It is my own church, The United Church of Canada.

The minister in question is Rev. Gretta Vosper; a warm, highly intelligent, compassionate person supported by her congregation as an excellent pastoral minister and leader of Sunday Services. She is personally known to Emily and me, and we heartily support her congregation’s view. 

The rub comes in that she calls herself an atheist. This is a statement that does not easily fit within the traditional doctrine of the church. 

“Atheism” can be an often misunderstood and confusing word. For most of us who call ourselves progressive, it means that the view of God as the big-daddy-in-the-sky who is in control of things and can intervene at will is gone. We are a-theists. We do not believe in an all-controlling deity who is there to judge and condemn if we don’t toe the line. It is vaguely based on the Bible, but comes with a great variety of interpretations. Many of us were brought up believing in that deity, but our experience of life and the evolution of society has caused the demise of that image of whatever the ultimate Mystery might be.

“Atheism” can also mean that there is no creative, evolving, force behind it all. The death-of-God of the nineteen sixties leaned toward that view, as I did for a time away back then. Many who hear the word “atheism” put Gretta in that category. Anyone who reads her thoughts and her prayers knows she passionately believes that love and compassion are at the heart of everything and that a community of caring people is what is required of us. 

The church has asked Gretta to reaffirm her ordination vows. This boils down to, “Do you believe in God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” Not many of us in progressive mode could affirm that statement without much discussion and interpretation. We really object to those words and can’t understand why they are still used at ordination Anyone who breathes the air of Western culture knows that to name God as father is a demonic statement. It means the support of patriarchy and the denigration of women. As Emily keeps saying, “as long as God is thought of as male there can be no equality for women.”  

The church, however, finds it difficult to change. Ever since Constantine forced the church to nail down orthodoxy we have had a one-track mind as far as what we are to believe is concerned. Even the Protestant reformation didn’t change the basic story that Jesus died or our sins so that we might enjoy eternal life; which makes no sense to our understanding of how life works. Oh for the rich variety of approaches to Jesus and religion that existed in the early years of the church. 

Our question to the church is “How can we grow and evolve in our experience and understanding of the Mystery of the universe if we close our ears and minds to the creative voices that push us beyond the traditional views?” We must be prepared to engage not only the thinkers in the church but also the scientists, artists and all the forces that mark our evolving culture. If we don’t, we simply hive off into a little enclave of our own and have nothing to offer the growth in consciousness and understanding that is our only hope for long-term survival.

Gretta has not yet been ousted. It is the recommendation of a committee which must be approved by the courts of the church. There is still hope. A growing movement of support for Gretta is underway. If you would like to add your name to a petition in support of Gretta, go tohttp://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reject-vosper-recommendations. Join the four dissenting voices, on the committee of twenty-three, who affirmed that “the growth of our doctrine is not complete.” 

Review of Ministry

If you are wondering what's been happening with our friend and colleague Gretta, the following links will help bring you up to speed.

Gretta's Answers to the Review Questions
Review Board's Response

Petition to urge Toronto Conference's Sub Executive to reject the review.

Interview with Ryan Bell
Gretta's reflection on "Acceptance" September 11, 2016
CTV Newsnet Interview
Gretta's response to being found 'unsuitable'

Links to interviews about the whole situation will continue to be added.

The Evolution of Creation – Based in Darwin, Divinity and the Dance of the Cosmos

Submitted by Michael Mugford 

Welcome

Call to Gather as Community

            L:         Where have you come from?

            P:        We have come from home, work, family and task to be together.

            L:         Why have come here?

            P:        We have come here to be together in holy time and holy community!

            L:         How have you come here?

            P:        We have come here open to the Spirit of Life in the world and to each other.

            L:         What have you come here to do?

            P:        We have come here to sing, pray, learn and share who we are with God and                           find our way deeper into God’s eternal presence!  We have come to worship!

Prayer

As we gather here this morning, we are challenged to think about things that many consider beyond our finite abilities to truly comprehend.  Science tells us that there is more to know than we can ever know and faith tells us that the ways of God are beyond our ways.  We may not be able to know it all, but we are educated people and people of mature faith, we are ready and able to think deep thoughts and offer our revelations to the deep mystery of God and the universe.  We are ready to walk the journey from the beginning and further define our place in the world and in the universe.  Today we say thank you God, for mind and spirit working together to make me who I am and who I can become.  Amen.

Song – Called by earth and sky – MV 135

Theme Intro – Where did it all begin?

Stories of Creation

Enuma Elish – The Epic of Creation
The Seven Tablets of Creation, L.W. King Translator, London 1902.

THE FIRST TABLET
When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;

Mi'kmaq - Two Creators and their Conflicts

The Old Man Told Us: Excerpts from Micmac History, 1500-1950. Ruth Holmes Whitehead, Nimbus Publishing, 1991.

Before the earth was new, the sun was all that existed in the great universe. The sun divided the earth into several parts separated by many great lakes. In each part he caused one man and one woman to be born. They bore children and lived for many years. Wickedness pervaded in this family, and slowly they killed one another. The sun wept and wept with grief. The tears became rain that fell from the skies until water covered the entire earth. The family had to set sail in bark canoes to save themselves from the flood. A violent wind overturned their boats. All perished in the sea, but the old man and the old woman, who were best of all people, and it was they who populated the earth.

Genesis 1:1-3

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  The earth was without form, and void; and darkness covered the face of the deep.  And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.  Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Poem – I Was Fashioned in Times Past, in the Beginning – Susan McCaslin (Darwin Divinity and the Dance of the Cosmos - p. 97)

Theme – Eight Epochs of the Flaring Forth (The Big Bang)

The Big Bang Theory (song)

Eight Epochs of the Flaring Forth

1.)        The Law of Expansion is Fixed

2.)        Struggle Between Matter & Anti-matter

3.)        Creation of Atoms

4.)        Ripple of Gravity

5.)        Supernova Sacrifice

6.)        Our Solar System Born

7.)        Life Emerges on Earth

8.)        Emergence of Conscious Self-reflection in Humans

Song – Each Blade of Grass – MV 37

Theme – The Evolution of Creation and Our Place In It

Song – Touch the Earth Lightly – VU 301

Community Life

Offering & Offertory –TUNE MV 191 What can I do

Earth wind and fire   

all life inspires, 

plants, rocks and trees, 

and rolling seas

Creation lives

If we will give

And so we bring

Our offering.

One with the land

Creation’s grand

Respect for life

Will end much strife

So all might live

We freely give

Bless all we bring

Prayer

Blessing Song – It’s A Song of Praise to the Maker – MV 30

Labels, Label, Labels...

I thought the poll option might be fun, but what do you put as your first poll on a "Progressive Christian" website?  (Sort of the same with the first post - Jane!) I thought we might as well start talking about the labels.  I wish I could edit them to add your suggestions, but once the voting starts, you can no longer edit. So here are some other suggestions:

Panentheist
Agnostic
Humanist
Liberal Christian

What other labels exist to describe who you are theologically?  Please Comment below.